It wasn’t always a party at the Playboy Mansion. Holly Madison detailed her relationship, or lack thereof, with Pamela Anderson amid her relationship with Hugh Hefner, who she dated from 2001 to 2008. “Interacting with Pam in the beginning was a little awkward,” Holly explained on her and Bridget Marquardt’s Girls Next Level podcast Oct. 28. “It’s not that Pam wasn’t nice. It was just that she would do this weird thing where she’d always come up to Hef wherever she would run into him. She’d fawn all over him and he’s surrounded by all these girls.” “She would act like we did not exist on any level in such a weird way,” Holly continued. “It was so strange to me and the only reason I’m bringing this up is because I remember feeling like it was so strange. I wondered what is that all about and I still kind of wonder because it would change later on. Like she would acknowledge me a little bit toward the very end.” But the 44-year-old also emphasized that she wasn’t trying to start any drama with Pamela-who has graced the Playboy cover 13 times since 1989. “I’m a fan of hers,” she explained. “But oftentimes, when I’m talking about mansion experiences, I’ll talk about meeting people like Paris Hilton and how she was so nice and how she would talk to each of us girls like we were equals.” And while Holly doesn’t have any ill will toward the Baywatch alum, she does wonder why their dynamic played out the way it did. “Maybe she was at such a weird level of fame where people always wanted something from her that she shouldn’t feel comfortable talking to people, or maybe she had an experience where she tried to talk to Hef’s girlfriends before and it went really poorly,” she said. “I don’t know what it was, but it was so distinct and weird.” At the same time, Holly noted that since being diagnosed with autism last year at 43, she looks back at the early aughts with a different lens. “I feel like the real interesting thing about this story is just how differently I perceive the behavior now,” the mom of Rainbow, 11, and Forest, 8, with ex-husband Pasquale Rotella, shared. “Back in my 20s, if somebody was really rude or standoffish to me, especially consistently, I assumed it was a major problem like they really hated me or that they were the world’s biggest a–hole or something.” “I just don’t really perceive it like that anymore,” she continued. “I feel like part of that is just my own journey with discovering that I’m neurodivergent and recognising my own behaviors and what’s behind that and it affects how I see other people’s behaviors a little differently.” E! News has reached out to reps for Pamela for comment and has not yet heard back.