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Meghan Markle has declared that she is going to ‘be myself and talk and be unfiltered’ in her new Spotify podcast, in a hint that she is planning on dropping more ‘truth-bombs’ about the Royal Family – just hours after firing a new broadside at the Windsors.

In a new video promoting her long-awaited Archetypes podcast – which has taken two years to get off the ground after the Sussexes signed a lucrative deal with the audio streaming giant estimated to be worth around £18million after they quit royal duties – the duchess said ‘people should expect the real me in this and probably the me that they’ve never gotten to know’.

She said: ‘People should expect the real me in this and probably the me that they’ve never gotten to know. Certainly not in the past few years, where everything is through the lens of the media, as opposed to: “Hey, it’s me”. I’m just excited to be myself and talk and be unfiltered and… yeah, it’s fun’. It comes after the former Suits star also hit out at those who criticised her for being ‘ambitious’ when she started dating Prince Harry, during a wide-ranging discussion on the new episode with her close friend, US tennis great Serena Williams.

And she also shared the trauma of how son Archie narrowly escaped a fire in his bedroom on the Sussexes’ royal tour to South Africa.

The podcast comes ahead of the duke and duchess’ return to the UK next month for events in Manchester and London before heading to Germany. Meghan, who now lives in California with Harry and their two children after the couple quit as senior working royals at the start of 2020, also: Said that ‘apparently ambition is a terrible, terrible thing – for a woman that is, according to some’;

Complained of a misconception ‘that if you’re an ambitious woman you have an agenda, you must be calculating or selfish or aggressive, or a climber’;

Said that ‘the notion of ambition comes with many judgements and nuances – especially for women’.

The Sussexes had dropped their son off at the housing unit they were staying in for a sleep straight after flying in for their official tour in 2019, with the couple then leaving to kick start their royal visit with their first engagement.

Archie’s then nanny, named only as Lauren – a Zimbabwean who liked to tie him on her back with a mud cloth – had taken him downstairs with her instead while she went to get a snack, just as the heater in the nursery caught fire.

Meghan said: ‘In that amount of time that she went downstairs, the heater in the nursery caught on fire. There was no smoke detector. Someone happened to just smell smoke down the hallway, went in, fire extinguished. He was supposed to be sleeping in there.’ The duchess described how she wanted to tell people what had happened.

‘I was like, Can you just tell people what happened? And so much, I think, optically, the focus ends up being on how it looks instead of how it feels,’ she said. She stressed the need for more understanding of the ‘human moments behind the scenes’.

The duchess added: ‘We had to leave our baby… and even though we were being moved into another place afterwards, we still had to leave him and go do another official engagement.’

Williams replies: ‘I couldn’t have done that.’

Later the same day, the couple had visited Cape Town’s historic District Six neighbourhood, met residents in its Homecoming Centre and heard from people who were forcibly removed to a township during the Apartheid era, with the Sussexes also carrying out an impromptu walkabout. Meghan and Harry’s controversial African tour took place in the autumn of 2019, just months before they quit as senior working royals.

During the trip, the US born former Suits star filmed an interview with ITV in which she told of her struggles with royal life, and how she had tried to cope with the pressures by putting on a ‘stiff upper lip’. In the Spotify podcast, which discussed the double standards women face when they are labelled ‘ambitious’, Meghan said: ‘Now, look, I’m not Catholic. I wasn’t raised Catholic.

‘But about one year after my letter writing campaign, I started middle school at Immaculate Heart. I stayed there, through high school. I was there for six years. And this feminist ideology trickled down into nearly every aspect of my education. ‘It’s probably safe to say into every aspect of my life. This message to me and my classmates was clear: our futures as young women were limitless. Ambition. Well, that was the whole point. ‘So I don’t ever remember personally feeling the negative connotation behind the word ambitious, until I started dating my now husband.

‘And apparently ambition is a terrible, terrible thing. For a woman that is, according to some.

‘So since I felt the negativity behind it, It’s really hard to unfeel it. I can’t unsee it either in the millions of girls and women who make themselves smaller, so much smaller on a regular basis. ‘So I wanted to talk to someone who embodies the spirit of ambition to see how she thinks about the word and the connotation, and how the other many labels that affect all women have affected her too.’

Speaking to Williams, Meghan also said: ‘In our friendship when you have to see things that are mischaracterising of me, but you experience behind closed doors the pain that I’m going through. ‘What I think is so interesting is that even though that’s on a world stage, I don’t know if that feels much different for any woman. If you’re in a small town and you see someone saying something about your best friend that is just completely untrue, how that feels.

‘The thought of these, like, archetypes, but it’s the kind of stuff you and I talk about so much, these boxes and these labels – the things that we both have been called and witnessed each other being called.’ Meghan added: ‘As you heard in my chat with my dear friend, the notion of ambition comes with many judgements and nuances – especially for women. ‘The misconception that if you’re an ambitious woman you have an agenda, you must be calculating or selfish or aggressive, or a climber. ‘And that if you’re that fierce or strong, or brave then you somehow deserve whatever gets thrown at you – however disproportionate or unfair it may be, and even when it’s more than most could endure. Most men, most anyone.’

Talking about her guests – which will also include Mariah Carey next week – Meghan said: ‘They’ve all in some way borne the brunt of the labels we’ll be picking apart and of course I know a thing or two about these labels myself.’

Meghan, 41, and Williams, 40, also shared personal stories about the struggles they have faced being new mothers.

Williams also revealed Harry helped her with the decision to retire from tennis long before it was announced, spending around an hour discussing the issue with her. Meghan, who quit the monarchy as a senior working royal, said: ‘I think, you know, I think both of us, or the three of us, really know that sometimes the right decision isn’t the easiest decision.’ She told Williams: ‘It takes a lot of courage, I think, too, to stop something in many ways than to keep going sometimes.’

Meghan has spoken many times before about how she wrote letters to First Lady Hillary Clinton and celebrity attorney Gloria Allred about an Ivory dish soap commercial that she felt was sexist because it said: ‘Women are fighting greasy pots and pans.’ She also wrote to the product’s manufacturer Procter and Gamble and Linda Ellerbee, host of Nickelodeon’s Nick News programme – later appearing on the show to talk about it. Speaking in the Spotify podcast, Meghan said: ‘When I was 11 years old, growing up in LA, I saw a commercial that would change the way I understood my place in the world.

‘Let me be clear: it wasn’t because this ad was some kind of ingenious piece of marketing – actually, it was just the opposite. So, here’s what happened: I was in the 6th grade, I was sitting in my classroom – and we were watching TV, when a commercial came on.’

She said the advert left her ‘furious’, continuing: ‘I was furious. Women? Did I, did I really just hear that guy say just women – as in only women – only women, women are the only ones who wash dishes?

‘And then, then I heard them – these two boys in my class, breathing life into my biggest fear. They said, ‘Yeah! That’s where women belong. In the kitchen!’ Oh man, this did not sit well with 11 year-old me.’ She said that after writing to the company and asking them to change the ad to ‘People all over America’, three months later ‘a new version of the ad appeared on TVs all around the country.’ Meghan continued: ‘They changed the language in the ad – from women to people. Now, I could paint this as a moment of triumph. And don’t get me wrong: it was. Because I learned that my one small action could have a ripple effect far beyond me. ‘But this experience was also something bigger: an awakening. To the millions of ways – big and small – that our society tries to box women in, to hold women back, to tell women who and what they should and can be. I’ve never lost touch with that reality. ‘And in the last few years, my desire to do something about it has grown. My 11-year-old voice has also gotten a little more confident, maybe a little louder.’

Speaking about different connotations of the word ‘ambitious’ The Duchess also spoke about how her experience of the way ambition is perceived changed after embarking on her relationship with Harry. She said that one year after her letter-writing campaign about the soap advert, she started middle school at Immaculate Heart in Los Angeles and spent six years there.

Meghan said: ‘This feminist ideology trickled down into nearly every aspect of my education. It’s probably safe to say into every aspect of my life.

‘This message to me and my classmates was clear: our futures as young women were limitless. Ambition? That was the whole point.

‘So, I don’t remember ever personally feeling the negative connotation behind the word ambitious until I started dating my now husband.

‘And um, apparently ambition is, uh… a terrible, terrible thing, for a woman that is – according to some. So, since I’ve felt the negativity behind it, it’s really hard to un-feel it. I can’t unsee it, either, in the millions of girls and women who make themselves smaller – so much smaller – on a regular basis.’

Williams revealed Harry helped her with her decision to retire from tennis long before it was announced, spending around an hour discussing the issue with her. Meghan, who stepped away from the monarchy with the Queen’s grandson for a new life in California, says to Williams: ‘I think, you know, I think both of us, or the three of us, really know that sometimes the right decision isn’t the easiest decision.’

As they discussed Williams’ retirement, Meghan added: ‘It takes a lot of courage, I think, too, to stop something in many ways than to keep going sometimes.’

Williams also said: I just wanted to just walk away quietly. And that’s how I’ve always seen my career. Just like, all right, I wanted to leave with no goodbyes.

But Meghan replied: ‘You’re not going to do that. No one, no one in the planet would let you do that. You are too loved. I mean, I and what I’m most excited about is that the last hurrah will be at the US Open because it’s home.’

And Williams said: ‘Yeah. And you guys have known about, you know, I’ve been trying to decide what to do and I’ve been, like, in and out and not really sure where to go. And that’s the worst place to be, is on the fence, as you know.

‘So it’s like make a decision, either be in it or be out of it. And, you know, I was on the fence for a while because I love what I do. And like I said, I’ve been doing this my entire existence even before I was born. It was what I was meant to do and what I was supposed to do and what was chosen for me. So, yeah, it’s hard.’ Harry also made an appearance in the episode, with Meghan saying: ‘You wanna come say hi? Look who just popped in.’

Meghan and Williams greeted Harry with ‘Hello’ in British accents, with Harry telling Williams: ‘I like what you’ve done with your hair. That’s a great vibe.’

Williams replied: ‘Thank you. Good to see you too as always, I miss you guys.’

The duke responded ‘Well come and see us’, with Meghan saying they will make a plan.

As Harry leaves, Meghan remarked: ‘Thanks my love.’ The Archewell Foundation announced earlier this year that the couple’s Spotify podcast would finally debut this summer – 18 months after inking the lucrative deal.

Archetypes is hosted by Meghan who will speak to historians, experts and woman who have experienced being typecast.

In a prior trailer for the Archewell Audio project, the duchess said: ‘This is how we talk about women: the words that raise our girls, and how the media reflects women back to us. But where do these stereotypes come from? And how do they keep showing up and defining our lives?’.

The Duchess, previewing the type of guests who will feature, added: ‘This is Archetypes – the podcast where we dissect, explore and subvert the labels that try to hold women back.

‘I’ll have conversations with women who know all too well how these typecasts shape our narratives. And I’ll talk to historians to understand how we even got here in the first place.’

Meghan and Harry signed a lucrative deal with the audio streaming giant to host and produce podcasts, estimated to be worth around £18million, in late 2020.

But they had only released one show prior to now – a holiday special featuring their son Archie and celebrity guests, in December 2020.

Meghan has long been a campaigner on female empowerment. Spotify and Archewell Audio described her conversations with typecast women as ‘uncensored’ and said the duchess would delve into the origins of stereotypes.

Former Suits actress Meghan is also an executive producer on the series, along with Ben Browning, Archewell’s head of content, and Rebecca Sananes, Archewell’s head of audio.

The podcast is being produced by Archewell Audio in partnership with Gimlet Media for Spotify.